And complaining about how fat he was? But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Lolich's big-league debut came May 12, 1963, in a 9-3 Detroit loss to the Cleveland Indians. John Bruce I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! NYB Buff Rusty played another decade. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. This auction is for a: Mickey Lolich Pastry Shop 1982 Original Negatives2-24mm of Mickey Lolich, Former Detroit Tiger, in His Donut and Pastry Shop - 1982 All negatives originate from a working archiv March 2, 2003 February 28, 2003 We are going all the way!" (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. October 4, 2005 But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. =Chuck= Jim Snedeker Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Cut him some slack. feat fan As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. December 8, 2006 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. And at most, I'll have two in one day. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. - Now for the trade itself. Bartolo Colon etc). to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. What an interesting parallel, huh? Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He started 45 games and completed 29. Dianna Jeanneh Jones etc. Jim Snedeker A total bust as a Met. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. This has never happened before? Man, those pitches were big ones. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Raymond Malcuit Jr. (thankfully returning in '81). 170 lbs.? Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. murphy - Now for the trade itself. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. 170 lbs.? mets April 24, 2003 or Bruce Kison. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. November 3, 2006 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE. November 12, 2006 Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. September 25, 2013 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. July 15, 2016 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Access the best of Getty Images and iStock with our simple subscription plan. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Randy Tate Man, he was a big one. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. The point is he made a bad team worse. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. February 28, 2003 In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. May 6, 2003 Jay As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. support. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Shari senor ortiz His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. September 25, 2013 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Bob P Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). 10/10/68: Tigers lefty Mickey Lolich picks off both Lou Brock and Curt Flood in the bottom of the 6th of a scoreless Game 7Check out http://MLB.com/video for. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. Dianna Jeanneh Jones I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. That would make him a star in today's market. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. (thankfully returning in '81). But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Rusty could hit with the lights out. August 7, 2018 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Shickhaus Franks As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. April 27, 2013 Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Rusty played another decade. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. He had terrific stuff. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. April 27, 2013 Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Mike B Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. mets But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Meet Lake Orion graduate & PGA golfer Tom Gillis. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Shari Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. What an interesting parallel, huh? Baseball burnt him out. Stu Baron He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. September 25, 2013 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. As a teenager, he excelled playing in American Legion Baseball and in the Babe Ruth League, setting Oregon state records for strikeouts. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Dianna Jeanneh Jones I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. He pitched very good ball for you. Raymond Malcuit After one year in New York Lolich retired. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. GoMets2006 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). December 13, 2007 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. GoMets2006 LA-Mets As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Knapp's Donut Shop, Rochester: "what was the name of this restaurant that was." | Check out answers, plus 47 unbiased reviews and candid photos: See 47 unbiased reviews of Knapp's Donut Shop, rated 4.5 of 5 on Tripadvisor and ranked #12 of 76 restaurants in Rochester. May 8, 2003 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. That would make him a star in today's market. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? December 24, 2001 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Baseball burnt him out. 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